LOZ TP: Theory’s on The Temple of Time/Light

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***WARNING: THE FOLLOWING MY CONTAIN SPOILERS, READ AT OWN RISK***

The Temple of Time. A building that has reappeared in the Legend of Zelda franchise many times and arguable one of the most important temples of all time. (haha time pun) This is were the biggest event for the Legend of Zelda timeline occurs. Its first appearance was in the Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time in 1998.

Before I get deep into this, let’s start with what we do know about the Temple of Time. In Ocarina of Time, Young Zelda told Link “…the ancient Sages built the Temple of Time to protect the Triforce from evil ones.” We later find out that the Sages are: Rauru, Sage of Light, Saria, Sage of Forest, Ruto, Sage of Water, Darunia, Sage of Fire, Impa, Sage of Shadow, Nabooru, Sage of Spirit and Zelda, leader of the Sages.

We also know that “…the Templ of Time is the entrance through which you can entrée the Sacred Realm from our world.” AKA Hyrule. Zelda goes on to explain, “But the entrance is sealed with a stone wall called the Door of Time. And in order to open the door, it is said that you need to collect three Spiritual Stones.” As the Great Deku Tree had told Link before he left, one of these spiritual stones was the Korkiri’s Emerald. The other two stones are the Goron’s Ruby and Zora’s Sapphire.
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And the other thing you need…is the treasure that the Royal Family keeps along with this legend… The Ocarina of Time!

After Link collects the three Spiritual Stones and returns to Hyrule Castle, he finds it under siege, for the evil Ganondorf has attacked. Zelda flees, leaving the Ocarina of Time behind for Link. Quickly Link goes to the Temple of Time, places the stones on the pedestal before the Door of Time and plays “the Song of Time”. The door opens revealing the evil banishing blade, the Master Sword.

Without hesitation, Link pulls the sword from its pedestal. Link awakens seven years later, as an adult, and finds himself in the Chamber of Sages located the Temple of Light. (I will get to were this is soon) He meets Rauru the Sage of Light, who explains to him that Link is the Hero of Time and how he must awaken the other sages in order to defeat the now dubbed “King of Evil”, Ganondorf, who has stolen one of the Triforce pieces; the Triforce of Power. Rauru also tells Link that if he ever wishes to return to the past, he must simply return the Master Sword to its pedestal.

Ok, now that we’re all up to speed, let’s get to it.

Oocca and the Dominion Rod

Now the first thing I want to address, are these little weirdos…
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Or more specifically Ooccoo, the Oocca whom asks for Links help throughout the game Twilight Princess.

When you first meet Ooccoo in the Forest Temple (if you find her here) she claims she is looking for something, something her kind left somewhere on Hyrule, in hopes it will help her get home. We know that when you go to the Temple of Time and open the path to the Temple of Light, Ooccoo quickly runs into the temple. You find her on a stair case were she says she sure that what she is looking for is in this temple. We later find out that it’s the Dominion Rod that she has been looking for. A rod that “breathes life into certain statues”.

Now my question is, why does she need it? Why has she been looking for it? No matter how I look at it, the Dominion Rod couldn’t possibly help her get to the City in the Sky (where she lives). Out of what we can tell, there were only a few statues that actually responded to the rod…
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And absolutely none of them would be able to help Ooccoo get back home.

Now before you jump me, yes, Link does use the rod to move the owl statue that is blocking the path to the Sky Canon and uses that to get to the City in the Sky, but thats just it. Even if Link didn’t have the Dominion Rod, in theory he still could have found the Sky Canon. Especially when you think about were it is…
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See what’s above it? Light-sun light. Which means there is a hole in the ceiling. And if Link could have found that hole, he could have easily slipped through it, or even made it bigger with the help of the Gorons, to get to the canon. Midna still would have warped it out and put it in the field for Fyer to look and fix it.

So in the end the Dominion Rod really wasn’t that necessary for Ooccoo to get back home. She hitched a ride with Link once he got the canon running.

The Oocca and the Temple of Light

Now their has always been discussion on whether or not the Oocca helped build the Temple of Time and I say Uh…NO!

My first reason why is Ooccoo. Being one of the Oocca, who supposedly helped build the temple, you think she would have known of its existence? Surely the Oocca would have had records of the building or it would have been historical knowledge that they created the temple. So if Ooccoo, one of the Oocca race, didn’t know of the temples whereabouts or very existence, I don’t really think these chickens could have helped the Gods and Sages create the Temple of Light.

Another reason I think this is that many claim the Oocca race to be very knowledgable, hence why they were able to create such items as the Dominion Rod and Claw Shot. However, if they were that smart, you think they would have kept track of where they left the Dominion Rod. But Ooccoo claims no knowledge of such. Instead she goes from temple to temple looking for it. So again, if they were so smart, you think she would have known or even realized where the rod could have been? And again, again, if they helped make the Temple of Light, she would have known that and thought maybe the rod that was “created by her ancestors” would have been left there.

Temple of Light and the Tower of the Gods

Their have been many speculations that the Temple of Light in Twilight Princess and the Tower of the Gods in Wind Waker, are the same place.

To this I once again have to say, no!

I can agree that when it comes to the two temples, they do have the similarity that the Dominion Rod (found in the temple) and the Command Melody (found in the tower) both have the ability to move certain statues and objects. But this is were I find the similarities end. Yes, they can both move things, which does make me believe they use the same kind of magic but that’s all.

When you look at the layout of the two temples, they don’t even look slightly similar…
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It’s just not their. Surprisingly, the Tower of the Gods is actually more spread out (4floors) then the Temple of Light (8 floors). The towers layout is also more square and box-like, were the temple is tall and rather condensed.

The other thing is where the temples are located.

The Tower of Gods is physically right above the sunken Hyrule Castle. When you and your trusty red boat go directly down from in front of the tower, you land in a garden in Hyrule Castle. Now the Temple of Light isn’t even in Hyrule.

Let me say this again… IT’S NOT IN HYRULE!!!

It has been clearly stated again and again that the Temple of Light is in the Sacred Realm. “The Temple of Light, situated in the very centre of the Sacred Realm, is the last stronghold against Ganondorf’s evil forces” Rauru tells us this in Ocarina of Time. Zelda also tells us this is what I have quoted from her at the beginning. Also as I said, you end up in the castles garden when you descend from the tower. Where as the Temple of Light is in the Temple of Time, which is in Castle Town, which is outside Hyrule Castle.

People also think they are the same place, simply because they have similar enemies in them…

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Now I want to make this perfectly clear, just because they have similar enemies doesn’t mean they are the same place. In fact thinking this way is just child-like. It like saying “There are Beamos in Dodongo’s Cavern and the Spirit Temple, they must be the same place.” Even though it’s obvious they aren’t.

Also I can’t help but look at the timeline while I was thinking about all of this…
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See where Twilight Princess is opposed to Wind Waker? They are on completely different time lines. Wind Waker takes place after Link defeats Ganondorf and Link stays in the “Adult Timeline”. While Twilight Princess is during the “Child Timeline” where Ganondorf is still defeated but Link returns to seven years in the past. I’m sorry to say I can’t really say where Im going with this but I feel it has some reason why they can’t be the same place.

TWILIGHT ARACHNID ARMOGOHMA

Another matter I wish to address is this bad boy (or girl)….

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Meet the boss of the Temple of Light, Armogohma.

Their have been many discussions about whether or not this is the same spider monster, the Parasitic Armored Arachnid Gohma, (AKA Queen Gohma) that attacked and killed the Great Deku Tree in Ocarina of Time.

And once again I say, no it ain’t!

Though Link has to travel back in time to meet Armogohma, I have clear evidence that this isn’t Gohma…
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(My apologies for the quality, phone camera…)

This is a picture of the pedestal in the Temple of Time. see what it’s missing? The Master Sword! Know I know what your thinking, “well, that’s because Link has it” and your right. But I’m not talking about Twilight Princess Link, I’m talking about Ocarina of Time Link! This proves that OoT Link has the Master Sword meaning he’s running around as an adult somewhere. Hell, he might even be fighting Ganondorf right now. So if OoT Link is an adult, that means the Great Deku Tree has already died, which means that Gohma has died too. Since Link slayed her before he found the Master Sword.

So this can’t be Gohma!

Plus, look at what Gohma looks like…
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Well… nothing like Armogohma.

And then their are the “babies” they both hatch…
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Just comparing the bosses to one another should be proof enough they aren’t the same. Twilight Princess’ Armogohma is a large tarantula-like spider, while Ocarina of Time’s Queen Gohma is…something else… (Well, she is a parasite so I guess she doesn’t have to look like something recognizable)

NAVI

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It’s been pointed out again and again that when Navi leaves Link in Ocarina of Time, she flies through a window in the Master Sword chamber. Speculations have been made that the window is the same window that reveals the Temple of Light, meaning Navi flew into the Temple of Light at the end of Ocarina of Time.

Again, I disagree with this.

I draw your attention back to the fact the Temple of Time is in the Sacred Realm. Meaning physically it isn’t attached to the Temple of Time or through that window. Also that Link was only able to access it via the Master Sword. BUT I’m betting that the pedestal probably had a way of telling the difference between rather the “two” Master Swords or Links. And used that as a distinction of when to open the path to the Temple of Light.

Another point I wish to make is the window it’s self…
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We cannot tell if this window is actually paned or not. Meaning two things:
1) Navi could have simply flown through bars in the window and outside
2) Navi just ran smack into a window like a bird… (hahaha)

Another point I wish to make is that, if you actually watch the ending carefully, we don’t actually see Navi fly through the window…(I would add a video if I could but I can’t. So go YouTube it)

What we see is her flying up to the window and hit the light, then the frame cuts to a different shot. We never see clear confirmation that she did physically fly through the window. (I feel like this isn’t helping my point but…) The fact is, is that everyone just assumed she flew through the window or whatever. But what if she didn’t? What if she actually flew up into the light and literally disappeared and died or something?

My last point is this…
If Navi did in fact go to the Temple of Light, you would think their would be some evidence that she was there. A left over habitat, message for Link, something!

Speaking of habitat, fairy’s live in forests and wooded areas so why the hell would Navi go to the Temple of Light? The logic behind it just isn’t their!

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That covers my thoughts and ideas on the Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess’ Temple of Light. A simple temple to hold the Master Sword. But so many questions have arisen since it resurfaced in 2006. Especially with the new discovery of the Oocca creatures said to be so knowledgable, yet the one you get stuck with, so dim. And even with it and the Temple of Time’s reappearance, one question still stands, “Where is Navi?”

A special thanks to ZeldaUniverses ElectricGoose, for giving me the idea to try my own theories on this temple.
As well as Zelda Wiki and Wikia.

LOZ TP: Theory’s on the Temple; Arbiter’s Grounds

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***WARNING: THE FOLLOWING MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS, READ AT OWN RISK***

The Gerudo Desert, a hot and desolate area of the mighty kingdom of Hyrule. Here you find an amazing architectural feat, but what do we really know about this place called “Arbiter’s Grounds”? Many have given their own thoughts on this rather vaguely explained temple and here, I will put my own to the test.

Now I wish to start off by answering two question that seems to pop up a lot when it comes to this temple; “who made it” and “why was it built?” Well, I think this answer is simple, just look at the symbols plastered all over the place! I think it’s safe to say that Hyrule’s Royal Family had much to do with this place. As to “why” it was built, again I feel this is has an easy answer, it’s an execution ground AND prison.

Now that should be without say, since Auru said “…As I heard, that big criminal was sent to the other world by means of a cursed mirror kept at the execution place…” and “The Gerudo Desert once held a prison built to hold the worst criminals this land has ever known…” But I feel their is more to this temple then a simple place to imprison and execute people.

For this I wish to draw your attention to the overall shape of the temple on the outside. Doesn’t it look a hell of a lot like a colosseum? Well I don’t think this was by accident or because it looked neat. I think this “prison” was actually used like a colosseum. For those who have played this far, think about the layout inside, large circular chambers, bones and skulls littered everywhere. My theory is that once criminals entered certain wings of the temple, they were given free run of the place. This would certainly account for all the skulls and “undead” characters you must fight throughout the temple.

And if the criminals did have free run in the prison it would give reason for all the carvings you find throughout the temple. It could be that when they weren’t fending off other criminals, they took to carving out stories in the walls. Seeing as they probably had very little else to do.
I do want to draw your attention to this specific carving though…

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This carving of what is clearly a large spider is everywhere in this temple, yet spiders are not seen anywhere in this temple. So why carve so many of them? I think the reason is that perhaps a large spider used to inhabit this temple, or was one of the forms of execution. With this in mind, having the spider drawn everywhere could have been because as word got around that this was how you could die, it became like a news chain. People telling other people about this horrible way to die, so they drew what they thought it looked like to warn the others.

Another odd set of carvings in the temple are these ones…

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I know it’s a little hard to see but don’t they kind of look familiar? Like a giant diety the Gerudo’s worshipped without fault? Yeah, I’m talking about the “Goddess of the Sand” of the Gerudo people. The left carving is my biggest support for this. It kind of looks like a giant curving snake doesn’t it? Picture a typical snake lady, you have the serpent end at the bottom, with her arms holding the staff in her left hand. Now, many statues and pictures of the Goddess of the Sand shows her with one of two things; a snake coiling around her upper body and/or a serpent-like bottom. Like here…

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A giant snake around her neck and though it may be hard to see, her legs do have a scale-like pattern on them.
Now the right carving, I believe, just shows a more humanoid version of her. Square on and with a more feminine body.

Unfortunitly this does bring up the question; “why is the Goddess of the Sand, diety of the Gerudos, in this temple used for executions and imprisonment?” Well the answer isn’t that hard. Think about where the temple is! The Gerudo Desert! Their has been one in nearly all Legend of Zelda games along with the Gerudo tribe themselves, but then another question emerges; “Where are the Gerudos?” I think it is safe to say they’re in the temple. (and yes I mean dead) One of the sages told Link how Ganondorf “…was the leader if a band of thieves who invaded Hyrule…” and anyone who knows Ocarina of Time, knows that Ganondorf was the “king” of the thief race called the Gerudo. So it is safe to say that the “…band of thieves who invaded Hyrule…” were the Gerudo and as they were defeated or arrested they were sent to this prison. And as implied before, with very little to do, they probably began to establish their diety in their new home, the Arbiter’s Grounds. This would also account for the Gerudo script found around the temple as well.

The last set of carvings I want to point out is this set…

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I’m sure I already know what your thinking; “Hey! That guy has a shield! “Well yeah, and I’ll get to that in a second, but what about the guy on the left? Doesn’t he look like some big, pig demon, an ancient hero slew many years ago? Bum, bum, buuuuum, I think its Ganon! Look closely, it has two horn/tusks, Ganons double blades he used and a very large frame.

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But back to the guy with the shield. If this is Ganon, then obviously that must be Link. “But that could be anyone with a shield!” Yes it could, but look who/what are right above the shield wielding figure… three pillars, with what resemble three figures on top. I think that those are the three “Golden Goddesses“, Din, Nyru and Farore, looking over Link. Especially when you think that the Goddesses created the Triforce, Wisdom, Power and Courage and all three of the triforce pieces were at the final battle with Ganon; Zelda, Link and Ganondorf. So the people in the prison, not knowing what Zelda or Link looked like, chose to use the three Goddesses to resemble them and the Triforce Pieces, which is what the fight was all about in the first place.

Could it be, that the reason you see this pair in many parts of the temple, is because it was a story (or the only story) told in the temple. Like a legend it spread through the people and as they told others, they carved images of the story on the walls. Plus, Ganandorf being one of the Gerudo, the Gerudos chose to tell this story the most. Whether to honour Ganondorf or not is another matter, but for the record I think it was to honour Link. For in the Ocarina of Time manga and game, it has been stated by the Gerudo people that since Ganondorf claimed his wish to rule the world, the Gerudos stopped seeing him as the leader of their people. So they probably told the story of a hero who stopped the raging king of evil who took the form of a large pig-man.

Now I’m going to get into detail about the main enemies one finds in the Arbiter’s Grounds…

STALFOS

Image These “Stalfos” were the more ruthless criminals that established themselves higher on the pecking order of the prison. This wold give reason as to why the moment you get close to them, their spirits come alive, determined to kill anything in their territory. Their intent to kill is so strong, that their spirits can’t rest until everyone in the prison is dead.

STALKIN

ImageThroughout the temple, you will run into hordes of these “Stalkin” or “Stalchild“. Seeing how tiny these are and that they attack in hordes, it is my belief that in life, they were more at the bottom of the pecking order for the prison. Being small and easily destroyed in two or so hits, they acted in large groups to try and best the other criminals in the prison. As to what they were in life, my best guess would be that they were children and not just because of the name. This would explain why they are so weak and why, when you destroy them, they give a high pitched “scream”. Being children would also justify why their are so many of them. If they were children that were part of a large traveling group of thieves (for example), it would make sense why so many of them would simply be thrown into the only prison in Hyrule.

On another note though, in Legend of Zelda Majora’s Mask, Tatl gives this label to the Stalchilds;
“It’s a Stalchild. They were the cursed soldiers of the Kingdom of Ikana…” In all honesty the only connection I can make of this to Twilight Princess (seeing as Majora is right before Twilight) is that survivors pr descendants of Ikana’s soldiers were found and thrown in Arbiter’s Grounds. This would shed light on why they changed the name of this enemy from “Stalchild” to “Stalkin” for being descendants of theses past soldiers, they might not all have been children when they were arrested. But once they died, their ancestry caught up with them and they took this small child-like form in the after-life.

REDEAD KNIGHTS

ImageThese “ReDead Knights” are probably just that, dead knights. Now to whom these knights fought for, I’m not sure. It is safe to say though that they definitely didnt fight for the Royal Family. Nor did they serve the Gerudo race, for they didn’t have “knights” or any such labeled fighters. All their fighters were called warriors or pirates and the entire race is comprised of women, which this is clearly not.

STALTROOP
ImageImageIn all honesty I think it’s very obvious who or what these “Staltroops” used to be, guards of Hyrule! See how they both have the full chain mail shirt, leading all the way to their knees? And the collars are very similar to these shirts. Both have brown leather belts and if you take the fronts off their helmets, they look very similar as well. So I think it is very safe to assume that these Staltroops were once guards of the temple/prison. This would definitely give reason for why their are so many of them during “Stallords” fight. (Don’t worry he’s soon)

Now the “bosses,” or larger enemies, are another matter…

POES

ImageTheir are four of these you have to hunt down and steal the souls from while in the temple. Now it’s not so much the Poes themselves that intrigue me, more so WHERE you find them. Take a look at these pictures here….

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See what’s in the middle of the rooms? A circle, but more specifically, I believe this to be a magic circle. I believe that the reason you find all four Poes (and I mean ALL) in a room or chamber with this circle in the middle of it is because the Poes were created here. That’s right, I’m suggesting that these four Poes, for this temple, were created, necromancy, rose from the dead, whatever you want to call it, in those specific rooms! Now magic circles aren’t something that pop up in Legend of Zelda if ever, but if you look closely at items like these…

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You do see what looks like magic circles on the magic rods and ring, both from Legend of Zelda games. So it’s not outrageous to suggest that someone in Arbiter’s Grounds may have had knowledge in something like magic use. Link being another example of this, he can use magic at it’s most basic level and doesn’t even realize it. (though he doesn’t use it in Twilight Princess…..but that’s another matter)

DEATH SWORD

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This giant ghost is the mini boss for Arbiter’s Grounds. In the above right picture I want to draw your attention to what is under the sword, or more specifically, what is carved into the floor the sword is in. Hmm, looks like another magic circle. This continues my belief that some of the criminals that were imprisoned here were rather magicians, wizards or necromancers OR these were some spirits or strange forces that the Royal Family had somehow managed to seal and imprison at Arbiter’s Grounds. In many cases throughout the Legend of Zelda franchise, Princess Zelda, and sometimes her mother, have been vaguely described as Miko” a priestess who can exercise spirits and put up spiritual bearers to ward off evil. So it isn’t a far fetched idea to believe that the Royal Family would have the capability to do this.

Especially when you look at the hints of proper sealing techniques. The biggest one being the paper talismans or “Ofuda” that line the ropes tying down the large, already ominous sword. And once again there’s the magic circle under the sword, but if you look throughout the chamber, other strange carvings can be found all over the walls. The one that piqued my interest the most was this one…
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Though many might not see this as a legitimate reference, in the Japanese manga “Xxxholic” a talisman with, what also looks like a large eye on it, is used. (Read these two pages starting with the left picture then right picture, reading the boxes right to left)
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Here you can see that the carving in the wall and the “Serpent’s Eye” talisman are very similar. This leads me to believe that the serpent’s eye was carved into the walls around the sword to keep people from seeing it’s true form, i.e. the large ghost that wields it. Though I could not find much information about this specific symbol for talismans, I do recall often seeing it in uses for sealing large, dangerous spirits in many cartoons and anime’s.

TWILIT FOSSIL STALLORD
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Now this bad boy is the final boss for Arbiter’s Grounds. A skeleton reanimated due to “Zant” stabbing an enchanted sword into the skull of the huge remains of this mighty creature. I have two theories on this specific boss…

Theory one:
What was Stallord in life? To answer this question I ask you look at the head of this skeleton and then the head of the “
Subterranean Lava Dragon Volvagia“, the boss for the Fire Temple of Ocarina of Time.
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Notice the similarities of the horns and jaw of both monsters. Now in the manga for Ocarina of Time, it was revealed that Link had actually bought and saved the dragon from a shop when both were still very young. (Child Link timeline) Then when Link had to confront and slay Volvagia (Adult Link timeline) much regret and sorrow had filled both of them. My theory is that when Volvagia was slain by Link in Ocarina of Time, it’s head was the only thing that remained. Its spirit also remained trapped in the skull feeling all that pain and sorrow. It is possible that Vovagia’s spirit continued in turmoil for many years until the Goron people asked it to be moved. The Hyrule Royal Family then moved the remains to Arbiter’s Grounds were it was sealed in the back chamber. I believe it had the spirit lingering in the skull because of the large chamber it is found in.

Like in the room the Death Sword is found in, Stallords chamber also has similar carvings in the walls all the way around. I also believed that they tried to put the spirit to rest by burying it in sand. But as time went by and the criminals in the prison who continued to have free run, they began to unbury the remains. (they probably had very little else to do) This is why only part of the skeleton is revealed.

On another note, the Japanese name for Stallord was: “Sosei Kodai Ryu Hara Jiganto” which translates to Resurrected Ancient Dragon: Hahra ZigantDragon people! DRAGON! They clearly put “Ryu” which means dragon and what is Volvagia? A dragon! In Ocarina of Time Volvagia was called: “Shakunets Kekkia Ryu Varubajia” translated to Scorching Hot Cave Dwelling Dragon: Volvagia. DRAGON!! The fact that both have physical similarities and were called a dragon in the original Japanese versions puts my case to rest on how Stallord and Volvagia could be the same creature. This would also clarify why there are so many carvings on what clearly looks like Volvagia, throughout the temple.
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Theory two:
Stallord was used as a form of execution in Arbiter’s Grounds. As mentioned at the beginning, it it clear that the grounds were used for executing criminals. So it’s possible to believe that Stallord was once alive and used to eat the criminals sentenced to death. (talk about a way to go) I referred to Stallords battle and the appearance of the Staltroops earlier. Using the Spinner, Link surfs to Stallords spin and slowly destroyed it one vertebrae at a time. As you progress, Staltroops merge from the sand to block your path. My explanation for this is that perhaps at some point, the criminals in the prison overpowered the guards stationed there and fed them to the still alive Stallord.

As time went by, however, the criminals began to kill each other off or die naturally. And with no one to eat, the mighty Stallord dies as well, for it obviously couldn’t leave the chamber it was in.

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This covers my theories and thoughts on Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess’ Arbiter’s Grounds (so far). A lost temple, meant only to do as Auru speculated? Or are their more secrets hidden in the walls that we have simply overlooked? Simply thinking it was just decoration to fill room from the designers of this amazing game. Though I won’t say my theories are the only ones, go check out more, rather from me or websites like ZeldaUniverse.net.

A special thanks to ZeldaUniverses ElectricGoose, for giving me the idea to try my own theories on this temple.